tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20656417.post114290949445304830..comments2023-08-02T06:26:08.034-04:00Comments on The Right Stuff...Politically InCorrect: Welfare: the case for elimination.Kierstyn Paulinohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02569057693812258801noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20656417.post-1146015028450369342006-04-25T21:30:00.000-04:002006-04-25T21:30:00.000-04:00Sorry, I meant to say "Section 8," which allows po...<I>Sorry, I meant to say "Section 8," which allows poor people to live in middle class housing by way of government subsidy. Most people would call that a form of welfare.</I><BR/>Yes, I would call that a form of welfare.<BR/><BR/><I>How do you feel about roads, air traffic control, police and judicial functions? What about minting money?</I><BR/>From the constitutional aspect of it, I would say that can be done by the federal government and not be considered welfare.<BR/> <BR/><I>What about enforcement of quality controls in food and medicine? These have all been done quite successfully by private enterprise, though they are conventionally all government enterprises.</I><BR/>I honestly don't know why the Feds are getting involved in that, Private enterprise does it better, though I don't consider it a form of welfare at this point. ( I have to admit, I haven't heard that one before...something for me to look into. THANKS!)<BR/><BR/><I>What about the armed forces? They have also been provided by private means.</I><BR/>The Armed forces constitutionally are for the government to maintain, and Biblically, the government <B>usually</B> had control of it.<BR/><BR/><I> What about tax subsidies for giant corporations? What about the USPS?</I><BR/>Constitutionally, the government has control of the taxes (as much as we all hate that fact)<BR/><BR/><I>How about airport security screening?</I> <BR/>I see that as more of a protect the homeland policy rather than welfare.<BR/>Thats just my opinion though.<BR/><BR/><I>As all these activities have been or are currently provided by private enterprise, but are now mostly taxpayer supported, would these be considered welfare? </I><BR/>No not all of them, because some of them are necessary to the government. I'm saying that welfare as far as government aid that is unconstitutional/unbiblical needs to be eliminated because it is the Church's responsibility.<BR/><BR/><I> Would these activites fit with the vision of government you explained?</I><BR/>I want to make sure we're on the same page, are you referring to my later post of this one?<BR/><BR/>if its my later post then the security measures/armed forces fit into the punish evildoers/judicial/set of laws catagory. <BR/><BR/>I didn't have time to read all of Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy but it outlines what the government should be like and deals with most of the items mentioned.<BR/><BR/><I>"I studied Jesus' summation of the law, and still don't see where he says or implies "love thy neighbor" can only be done on an individual, personal level as you believe. On the contrary, in the Letters of Paul, Peter, James, and in Acts as well as the prophets, we see many calls for communal action.<BR/><BR/>In Matthew we find "But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing," which could be seen as encouraging giving when you don't know the recipient,as when you donate blood."</I><BR/><BR/>I'm sorry, I wrote that response rather quickly, I meant it is the individual or Church's responsibility to do it. There is nothing wrong with a body of people doing something, however those verses are not referring to the government. In the context those passages are referreing to the people, not the government.<BR/><BR/>While it may be better to do it in secret, or not know where its going to, it is not the government's role to "redistribute the wealth" so to speak. That is the Church's and Individual/family's responsibility.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the thought provoking comments!!<BR/><BR/>kpKierstyn Paulinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02569057693812258801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20656417.post-1146013257238928582006-04-25T21:00:00.000-04:002006-04-25T21:00:00.000-04:00You said:"I believe welfare includes: Social Secur...You said:"I believe welfare includes: Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid,food stamps, government aid services, and public schools(I think that the Family/Church/State-to a much lesser extent than the previous- should be taking care of education, not the Feds) . I haven't heard of Title 8, what is that?.<BR/><BR/>In response to the verses, That is referring to the citizens, we as citizens, as Christians are supposed to take care of others, not the government. I actually just posted what I found to be the government's role and providing welfare is not liad out anywhere in the job of government. That is delegated to the people."<BR/><BR/>Mike: I studied Jesus' summation of the law, and still don't see where he says or implies "love thy neighbor" can only be done on an individual, personal level as you believe. On the contrary, in the Letters of Paul, Peter, James, and in Acts as well as the prophets, we see many calls for communal action. <BR/><BR/>In Matthew we find "But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing," which could be seen as encouraging giving when you don't know the recipient,as when you donate blood. <BR/><BR/>Sorry, I meant to say "Section 8," which allows poor people to live in middle class housing by way of government subsidy. Most people would call that a form of welfare. <BR/><BR/>How do you feel about roads, air traffic control, police and judicial functions? What about minting money? What about enforcement of quality controls in food and medicine? These have all been done quite successfully by private enterprise, though they are conventionally all government enterprises.<BR/><BR/>What about the armed forces? They have also been provided by private means. What about tax subsidies for giant corporations? What about the USPS? <BR/><BR/>How about airport security screening? <BR/><BR/>As all these activities have been or are currently provided by private enterprise, but are now mostly taxpayer supported, would these be considered welfare? Would these activites fit with the vision of government you explained?Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18225452224915116495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20656417.post-1145285146174420112006-04-17T10:45:00.000-04:002006-04-17T10:45:00.000-04:00What exactly do you mean by "welfare?" Which progr...What exactly do you mean by "welfare?" Which programs would you eliminate? SSI? Medicare? Medicaid? Social Security? What about federal aid to local schools? What about Title 8? What about the interstate highway trust fund? What about government subsidies to energy companies? <BR/><BR/>I notice that you quoted the Bible. You must be aware of Proverbs 27:28 "He that giveth unto the poor shall not lack: but he that hideth his eyes shall have many a curse." And Luke 11:41 "But rather give alms of such things as ye have; and, behold, all things are clean unto you." Matthew 19:21 "Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me." Matthew 5:42 "Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away." <BR/><BR/>Just wondering what you think of these things.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18225452224915116495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20656417.post-1143168564844539272006-03-23T21:49:00.000-05:002006-03-23T21:49:00.000-05:00An excellent article. Congratulations on its pend...An excellent article. Congratulations on its pending publication!Paterdorfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17107788102884102086noreply@blogger.com